Wicca, Wicce, and Witchcraft.

[Kaleesie]

Ive read some interesting thing as of late about the meaning of Wicca and Wicce  (Wicce, being based on the Goddess instead of the the Goddess and the God) and witchcraft only focusing on the feminine aspects and the moon rituals (Esbats) and I was wondering if anyone else has an opinion or can give more insight on this.

I'm not trying to start fights here, I am looking for facts and opinions based on logic.

Blessed Be
Kaleesie

[ferox1012]

Good day[smile].
Where did you read this information, dear lady? I want to read it as well.

[Kaleesie]

While I was searching about information about my particular Goddess, Hecate.. I stumbled upon a website.
However, I don't know if I will be breaking rules if I post the name of it. And I certainly don't want to break the rules.
Can I post the website?.. Is that ok?

[ferox1012]

Good evening, again[smile].
If it is a violation, then just personal message or email it to me. No need to rush at it, either[smile].

[TheMagickSprite]

While I was searching about information about my particular Goddess, Hecate.. I stumbled upon a website.
However, I don't know if I will be breaking rules if I post the name of it. And I certainly don't want to break the rules.
Can I post the website?.. Is that ok?

Certainly isn't breaking any rules to do that hun.

BTW esbats are working days for Wiccans, it's when we rite.  Sabbats are holidays for feast and merriment

BB Sprite

[Ken Ra]

The names Wicce Wicca Witta etc all have authentic meanings to those promoting them,  but I have found nothing that I can trust as historical. The myths of a religions origin have nothing to do with how good it is in the world or especially for any one person. Being somewhat  sour on the subject I regard it ALL as marketing hype.   

[Kaleesie]

Thanks Sprite, ( I also know what Esbats are ) but the site talks about excluding sabbats because they are involve the male aspect.
And thanks for the heads up on letting me know about the rule on putting up another website address.

www.hecatescauldron.org

There are several links on it, but the one in particular about witchcraft and Wicca.
It basically excludes the God in the craft. And I'd like to repeat that I'm not trying to get in any fights. I have done quite a bit of research, and this site gives a different perspective. I would like facts and opinions based on logic. (sorry to repeat myself)

Blessed Be
Kaleesie

[LadyStitches]

I ran across that website recently also, but did not get very far into it before being distracted by little ones.   
I think that's the first time I've heard as witchcraft as being focused on only the female.  I'd be interested to hear more from someone a bit more knowledgeable than myself though. 

I personally feel that by focusing on only the female a person could be swinging too far from the middle, opposite of the Abrahamic religions.  I know it's about finding what's right for you, but it's also about finding balance.  Everything in moderation, ya know?  Just my opinion.

[Kaleesie]

I'm still reading through some of its other links. I find it interesting, but, it's also something that reminds me of the christain God, focusing only on the male.
But she makes some points I can't but think makes sense. I'm not going to bring these points up, not yet anyway, because I want to see if anyone else notices them too. ( or if my mind is just getting wrapped up in the moment)
I really want to be informed and have some opinions shared with me with you good people of this forum. I have finally found a site ( this one) where I trust and respect a great amount of its members. And I value what you all think.

Blessings
Kaleesie

[NorthernWoman]

It seems to me that this website was developed by a follower of a Feminist or Reclamation trad who seeks to prove that all power is derived from the Goddess-form.  And if that's what you want to believe then it is good and right for you.

I would take any "historical" definitions  with a grain of salt, especially about the wicca/wicce discussion.  She seems to be passing that as fact (and perhaps its true in her trad), but it may not apply to all Wiccan/Pagan belief systems.

Personally, what initially drew me to Witchcraft (from Catholicism) was the balance that was struck between the Divine Female and Divine Male energies.  To me, the God is not the Goddess' "boy toy" (as this site seems to imply), but an equal.  Goddess would not be Mother if there was no Male. 

The subjectivity of the path of Wicca/Withcraft/Paganism is both one of its greatest attributes and sources of frustration.  The beliefs that work for me, may not work for anyone else.

[McGoonagle]

It seems to me that this website was developed by a follower of a Feminist or Reclamation trad who seeks to prove that all power is derived from the Goddess-form.  And if that's what you want to believe then it is good and right for you.

That's pretty much what I thought too.

[Kaleesie]

It is very much female oriented, but that's not what was making sense to me. (although I have a natural tendency to lean toward the feminine) I do believe in needing a male counterpart.
What's tugging at me, and I guess I will go ahead and mention this one part, is when she suggests( well its not a suggestion to her) that on this earth it's things really aren't balanced. She made reference to weather, earthquakes, natural disasters and such, and was pointing out that she didn't see a balance in it. Droughts, famine, those types of things. And I can see her point. For the most part, many people on Earth are parasites, not trying to take care of our home. Where there should be balance, there isn't.
Now, im not saying since she made that one point, I'm changing my whole religion and perspective. I'm just trying to look at all angles.
Am I seeing these things right? Or is it just the pessimist in me?

Blessed Be
Kaleesie

[LadyStitches]

Hm... interesting.
I'm not saying its wrong, this is just how I'm seeing it.  Wouldn't earthquakes, tornados, etc. be a counter-balance to having everything be good and nice, rainbows & such?  There is not good without bad- isn't that a kind of balance?  Isn't it also balance in that the death/destruction makes way for rebirth and growth to occur? 
Like I said- it's just how I see it right now.  It's an interesting perspective.

[NorthernWoman]

Hm... interesting.
I'm not saying its wrong, this is just how I'm seeing it.  Wouldn't earthquakes, tornados, etc. be a counter-balance to having everything be good and nice, rainbows & such?  There is not good without bad- isn't that a kind of balance?  Isn't it also balance in that the death/destruction makes way for rebirth and growth to occur? 
Like I said- it's just how I see it right now.  It's an interesting perspective.

Couldn't agree more, LadyStitches.  There is a balance among the population aspect because while some people are parasites, there are also those that seek and act to heal and protect the planet.  The Earth has historically gone through cycles of drought and flood on every continent.  The site owner sounds to me to be a pessimist. 

[Kaleesie]

I'm glad I have asked about your thoughts, everyone. What Ladystitches says does make sense. I guess when I get in one of my "moods" I am a pessimist too. Although, I'm really trying to make a valiant effort to stop doing this.
If anyone else feels like putting their 2 cents in, feel free.

Blessed Be
Kaleesie