Christ and Wicca.

[TheMagickSprite]

Rhihu I do not believe Ken Ra was insinuating that you stay away, I think you may have misread his point, or am I wrong Ken Ra?  What say you?   Please elaborate or confirm your "stay away" comment.

BB Sprite

[Cup of Joe]

How do you expect others to accept you if your not willing to do the same for them. It's a two way street and at some point one of the parties has to pick who is going to play 'grown up' in the situation. I just think it's really ugly and shows a bad face to wicca and witchcraft in general to be like that. I don't want any part in bullying others and insisting that they change there beliefs in order to avoid nasty remarks from pagan elders who should know better On that note... you know what... I'll leave. .

Touche. 100% agree.

[Malikite]

How do you know what Hecate says or teaches? How do you know what Hades thinks about various matters? What does Dionysus have to say about current events? Simple answer, ask them. If someone tells me they saw a vision of Aradia and she told them something I'm not going to go into semantics with them about why it could not have been her. So, with all the people who claim to have had a vision of Jesus or conversation with him, who are any of us to argue.

Although I am not Wiccan, or Religious for that matter, (Rambling) I have my Gods and Goddesses that I speak to and work with. Whom I invoke and learn from, even at times just enjoy their company. But in all my years, I call upon them and they show. I need them, they are there for me. Not once has Jesus or the One God appeared to me, Not once have they spoken a single word, Nor made there presence known by show of force or energy. Thats with mind and heart open to the possibility and through my most powerful invocation spells. However while in communion with my Gods during a particular conversation I have been told that there was a man much like Jesus, but that was not his name, and not the son of God, but a man whom just wanted to change the world for the better. Later, it was men whom called him Jesus, It was men whom made his legend and made him the son of God and used him to change the world (not for the better in my opinion) and created this religion as a way to Govern the people yet not be a Government. On the subject of the One God, I was told that The One God was created by Man. It was Men, women, and children whom in time began to believe in the One God that eventually Created him. But by Man creating God, God has no real power over Man. His power lies with those who believe in him. (Probably why the One God never came to me. Even though I was open to the Idea and Concept, both invited and invoked him, he never appeared in any way shape or form, I just Did and still Do NOT believe in the One God) As far as the Topic Christ and Wicca, Christ (by any name) was a man, no matter what his teachings, gospel, or message, he was still just a man, so why incorporate a man into your religion? (Even by Christian and Catholics Jesus was still a man soul and all )

[Abracadabra]

My point is, I don't think Jesus needs to be an enemy of the Wiccan faith. He could even be an ally. The orthodox Jesus, well, yeah...that's a problem, but it's also manure.

Having grown up with Jesus as a child (figuratively speaking of course), I became friends with him.  I agreed with many of the moral things that he supposedly stood for.  When I left Christianity I took Jesus with me.   But not as "The Christ".

Your thread is entitled "Christ and Wicca", not "Jesus and Wicca".   I personally don't see how anyone could believe that Jesus was "The Christ" and even be interested in Wicca at all.   I mean, if Jesus was "The Christ" then he was the only begotten son of the God of Abraham who is "God the Father" who proclaims to be a jealous God, etc, etc, etc.   So it seem to me personally that to even be interested in Wicca when one believes in the jealous Hebrew God of Abraham is fundamentally incompatible.  Although I know that some people do seem to claim to be able to do that.

For me, Jesus was not "The Christ".  He was not the son of the God of Abraham, nor to I believe in the God of Abraham anymore than I believe in Zeus.

However, I do believe that there very well may have been a person who sparked those absurd rumors.   And that person was most likely a Jewish Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva.  I have very powerful historical reasons for believing this.  I believe that "Jesus" was a Mahayana Buddhist who renounced the immoral teachings of the Torah and the God of Abraham, and tried to replace them with the far higher morals of Mahayana Buddhism.  I believe that he probably did call the Pharisees hypocrites, and he probably was crucified for blaspheme.  I do not believe that he was born of a virgin, raised from the dead, nor had anything at all to do with the fictitious God of Abraham.

So I keep Jesus with me as a sort of personal friend.  Not unlike the Buddha.   I do use Jesus as an archetype in my Wicca paradigm, as I also used Buddha.  In fact, I often envision Buddha and Jesus together at the same time as best-friends.   Along with other sages like Confucius, and Lao Tzu.   I don't view any of these archetypes to be "gods", but I do view them as being viable vessels for spiritual communique possible with the spirits of these very people or perhaps other facets of consciousness that find these psychic vessels appropriate for communique.

So yes, Jesus is definitely a part of my own personal Wicca paradigm.   But certainly not as "The Christ".   I dismiss that very notion as being a totally false rumor.

I use Jesus in two specific roles in my paradigm.   In one role he plays the Fatherly Figure of Capricorn.   And he fits that roll perfectly because he himself is supposedly a Capricorn, plus he supposedly teaches that we should attempt to create "Heaven on Earth", which is my personal interpretation of Capricorn's message.  I'm using the Zodiac here as abstractly a "journey of the God", and not as a personal birth sign.

The other role I use Jesus for is as the Hierophant as in Torah and the journey of the fool.   But I don't use him exclusively for that role.  In fact, he shares that roll with the other characters I mentioned above, Buddha, Confucius, and Lao Tzu and others.   I don't view the Hierophant as being a single authoritative figure (like a pope), but instead it can be any sage that has wisdom to offer.   So in my paradigm Jesus is just one of many Hierophants.

So Jesus, yes.  The Christ, no.

That's my answer to you question.

(And clearly I'm not even restricting "Jesus" to the New Testament rumors.  I don't believe that everything stated in those rumors are true about "Jesus")

So in that sense I'm really not even speaking about the "Biblical Jesus", but rather about a possible Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva who may have been named "Jesus" and gave rise to the New Testament Gossips after his crucifixion for having renounced the teachings of the Torah and the immoral teachings attributed to the "God of Abraham".

As you can see, I have a truly unique view of who Jesus may have actually been.

[TheMagickSprite]

So it seem to me personally that to even be interested in Wicca when one believes in the jealous Hebrew God of Abraham is fundamentally incompatible.

Amen

I don't much understand this either.  Wicca and Xtianity are not interchangeable lego blocks.  But..... people seem to try and do it.   You'd have to ask yourself how serious you were about either in order to see the impossibility of complement.

BB Sprite

[inuu1981]

Honestly, In Christian  History. Most Xtians in general hung people or force them to be converted into the religion by controlling. I personality don't believe in any labels that the mainstream elite put out in public. GOD is just a title as for a name for the Creator to use. There are no He Or She. It's a supreme being that created everything. Now I can unde4rstand why the Creator did not send a woman as a savior to be treated unfairly, the way people were back then. That's why " The almighty Being" created a Male to come down and change the ways of people are living etc. Christ did not come down for people to be called different type of factions from controlling. People have things backwards on Earth, including TV preachers are annoying as hell and Bible Thumpers lol.  Unfortunately the GOD from the bible isn't the way the Bible tells it, the Bible is created by men and what they perceived to be .

Fallen Angels got kicked out of the Heaven planes, somehow they transform into flesh and mated with the Human wives as they pleased, that's where the Giants in genesis comes from. They have created Nephilims. That's where the Sumerian GODS and Goddess and others came from. Enki, Enlil, Anu, Isis, Astroth  Hecate etc. That's just my theory.

[ThunderWolf]

That's where the Sumerian GODS and Goddess and others came from. Enki, Enlil, Anu, Isis, Astroth  Hecate etc. That's just my theory.

That's an interesting theory, but the Sumerians and their gods were around before the Bible was even written. (Not to mention that Isis is Egyptian, Hecate is Greco-Roman, and I'm not sure who you're referring to as "Astroth".)

It's also worth mentioning here that this thread wasn't posted to find out what we all thought about the Bible and Christianity. This thread is about the plausibility of incorporating Christ into a Wiccan practice.