New Law Passed In Oklahoma *very upsetting* women listen up.

[ARTEMISSCEAL]

I live in Tulsa, Oklahoma. What I found out today has made me be ashamed to live in this beautiful state. I cannot believe that this is happening in the 21st century. What has the world come to? I just don't understand. I normally don't write about controversial topics anywhere except in my journals. But this has gone far enough and has torn the freedoms and rights that women are born to have and thrust-ed them into the hands of religious republican men. Don't get me wrong, I am not judgmental of other people's religions. As long as their religion doesn't infringe on my rights and my spirituality I am fine. And don't think that I am hating on all republicans, because I am not. I have a lot of friends that are republican. But for someone to take away the rights of a women to have an abortion and to have contraceptive is wrong and unconstitutional. I am beyond livid.

A women has the rights to have an abortion. No one. NO ONE should have the ability to take that away from her. The fact that they wouldn't even allow a women to testify on the panel of judges is wrong.

Here are three URLs if you don't believe me.

  http://abcnews.go.com/Health/okla-abortion-law-exceptions-rape/story?id=10507849#.Tz6EwFzy9Lc

http://www.truth-out.org/democratic-women-boycott-house-contraception-hearing-after-republicans-prevent-women-testifying/1329#.Tz6E9UqcnXI.facebook

 http://www.change.org/petitions/the-states-of-oklahoma-and-iowa-repeal-the-personhood-act

I am not trying to upset anyone with this post. I just think that women should have the knowledge about their rights getting torn from their hands. I am a person that believes that if a women wants an abortion they should be able to have one. I don't agree for it to be used as a form of birth control, but no one should be able to stop a women from getting on if she isn't ready to be a mother.

Again, I am sorry if this offended anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. That was not my intention.

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[Theflyingsorcerer]

Yes. Very much so. No time to write much at the moment, but I signed the petition. These guys have absolutely no right to do what they are trying to do.

Theflyingsorcerer.

[Kaleesie]

This is repulsive. And horrifying. And I have a few words I can't say on here. If a "lawmaker" were raped, ( HE OR SHE) they might have a difference of opinion, but let the poor woman choose what will be happening to her body.. I'm utterly repulsed.

Blessings
Kaleesie

[Selenemoon]

I'll be completely honest I dont think I could ever have an abortion unless the pregnancy would kill me, but thats just me. I would never dream of telling a woman that she cant have one whatever her reasons are, it is her body and her choice! who do these people think they are, treating women like second class citizens who are forced by law to carry a pregnancy, it is taking away a right that women have over their own bodies! how would they feel if it were their daughter/sister who had been raped! And what about ladies who have a severe enough learning dissability to have no understanding of pregnancy and birth, imagine how frightenend and vulnerable they would be, not being able to understand what is happening to them. How dare anybody assume the right to do that to any woman! I am horrified that some peoples need for control has come down to this

[xXuglywolfXx]

For the most part, I'm against abortion. Yes, if it's a pregnancy that resulted from a rape, or the baby or mother is going to die, I can understand why a woman would want one. Personally, I think if someone has sex willingly, and just doesn't want the baby because they're not ready to be a mother, I think it's distugting to kill a healthy baby because you can't live with your own decisions.

However, I think that's something that they will have to carry on their souls personally. If they can accept and handle the fact that their selfishness led to the loss of a human, that's their burden to carry. I don't think there should be any law saying they can't do it, but maybe doctors should just show expecting mothers what they're losing if they choose to have an abortion.

[TheMagickSprite]

I've certainly heard about it.  Not sure what to say.  I certainly don't side with it and don't take this the wrong way but you certainly have the right to move to a more "pro-choice" state.  If I were a woman and it affected me so, I certainly would.

BB Sprite

[Atropos]

 Personhood amendments are truly frightening. They place the rights of a fertilized egg (which fails to develop into an actual pregnancy 30-50% of the time) above that of a living, breathing person. Will every unimplanted egg (a basic fact of our biology) be considered murder? This, coupled with some of the "miscarriage is murder" laws that are being passed, can result in a world straight out of the Handmaid's Tale, where women will be forced to give birth and jailed if anything happens to the embryo. All of these laws are based on religion and religious viewpoints, which many religions do not share. I wonder if US women will be eligible for political asylum in other countries if this war on women continues.
 

[malewitch42]

ill put it this way ethically im pro life but legally im pro choice ... i beleive that abortion is wrong but i also beleive its wrong for me or someone else to decide that other people has to be bound by our morals

[ThunderWolf]

I haven't commented yet because I really didn't know how to express my thoughts. Due to that I'll likely keep this short. My thoughts are very much along the line of Sprite's. Speaking on my own behalf, though, I must say I'm pro-choice all the way and would strongly suggest someone wanting an abortion or who might find themselves in the position of wanting one be prepared to cross state lines to get one. I'd also like to say that as angered as I am that these...people...enacted this law I don't see much chance of it standing once challenged legally.

Certain groups have been trying to get "The Heartbeat Bill" passed here in Ohio. If passed, a woman would not be able to get an abortion once a fetal heartbeat can be heard. Though most people in Ohio seem to be outraged by this, the up side is that it probably wouldn't stand up to a legal challenge even if it were passed. I suspect the same of the law to which this thread is addressing. (So much for brevity! LOL)

[TheMagickSprite]

Off topic: I used the word "certainly" four times. Something is wrong with me 

BB Sprite

[malewitch42]

either that or you are very certain

[Kaleesie]

Personhood amendments are truly frightening. They place the rights of a fertilized egg (which fails to develop into an actual pregnancy 30-50% of the time) above that of a living, breathing person. Will every unimplanted egg (a basic fact of our biology) be considered murder? This, coupled with some of the "miscarriage is murder" laws that are being passed, can result in a world straight out of the Handmaid's Tale, where women will be forced to give birth and jailed if anything happens to the embryo. All of these laws are based on religion and religious viewpoints, which many religions do not share. I wonder if US women will be eligible for political asylum in other countries if this war on women continues.
 

Thank you so much for putting what I was thinking into words. ( mind seems to not work correctly nowadays) but I applaud your intelligence.
Blessings
Kaleesie

[ARTEMISSCEAL]

Sprite, I had this conversation with a friend of mine, one of whom is very against abortion. She thought it was "silly" when I told her that I would move from Tulsa, Oklahoma to another state just because of this law. She said, "But you love Oklahoma! Why would you move?" I told her that I very much do love Oklahoma. But I love my rights so much more! She still didn't understand.

I just believe that women should have the right to choose. Someone shouldn't be able to make that choice for you. 

Thank you all for your input and opinions. I appreciate it.

[Ann Cash]

This is not one of those topics you can ride the fence on. You are either for or against it. So I am pro-choice. I always have been. Religion should never dictate law, but it often does if we let it. To have or not have an abortion is an individual woman's choice...for her individual reasons. Unless you are an amoral slut who just doesn't care about anything but yourself, having an abortion is not an easy decision. For 99% of the woman who face that decision, it's a tough choice, but one they feel they have to make. Religious zealots would have people believe that it's a decision made with little thought, or care. That's not so. It couldn't be further from the truth. So given that knowledge, I believe a woman should be able to do what she needs to do in privacy and dignity. For any woman who has had an abortion, the following time is not only that of relief, but mourning. No politician should be given the right to dictate her life's course. Only she should have control over that, since she is the one who lives with the consequences.

As for moving to another state, i can't say I agree with that either. It's certainly an option, but only one I see as a temporary fix. Running from a problem doesn't make it go away for those who are left behind, those who can't run. the only way to insure your rights, is to fight this kind of legislation. If you do not make your voice heard, you are allowing your rights to be trampled on. Women have had the right to choice in this country since the 1970's. If we allow that right to be taken away, one state at a time, we will see other rights taken as well. Be heard. Contact your local and state representatives to let them know how you feel. See what women's rights groups are doing to stop this sort of legislation, or to reverse it. In short, get involved if you want your rights preserved. Otherwise, you can watch this country slip back into the Dark Ages.
BB  Ann
 

[SnowAngel]

This is not one of those topics you can ride the fence on. You are either for or against it. So I am pro-choice. I always have been. Religion should never dictate law, but it often does if we let it. To have or not have an abortion is an individual woman's choice...for her individual reasons. Unless you are an amoral slut who just doesn't care about anything but yourself, having an abortion is not an easy decision. For 99% of the woman who face that decision, it's a tough choice, but one they feel they have to make. Religious zealots would have people believe that it's a decision made with little thought, or care. That's not so. It couldn't be further from the truth. So given that knowledge, I believe a woman should be able to do what she needs to do in privacy and dignity. For any woman who has had an abortion, the following time is not only that of relief, but mourning. No politician should be given the right to dictate her life's course. Only she should have control over that, since she is the one who lives with the consequences.

As for moving to another state, i can't say I agree with that either. It's certainly an option, but only one I see as a temporary fix. Running from a problem doesn't make it go away for those who are left behind, those who can't run. the only way to insure your rights, is to fight this kind of legislation. If you do not make your voice heard, you are allowing your rights to be trampled on. Women have had the right to choice in this country since the 1970's. If we allow that right to be taken away, one state at a time, we will see other rights taken as well. Be heard. Contact your local and state representatives to let them know how you feel. See what women's rights groups are doing to stop this sort of legislation, or to reverse it. In short, get involved if you want your rights preserved. Otherwise, you can watch this country slip back into the Dark Ages.
BB  Ann
 

Very well said 

Brightest Blessings
SnowAngel